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I have a collect call for anyone from an air traffic control specialist.

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Will you accept the charge, sir?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Thank you. Go ahead, sir.

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Hello. Good morning.

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I'm calling from Albany, New York.

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Yes.

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Okay. I see we got a letter in our facility at work in an air traffic control facility

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at Flight Service Station at Albany County Airport at New York.

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And I just thought I'd call you.

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I don't have a UFO to report at this time or anything, but I was involved in a UFO incident.

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It took place in our area here back in 1974.

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And I thought maybe I could, I don't know if you have any record of it.

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I refer to it personally as a Round Lake incident.

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Okay, let's hear about it.

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Well, this was back when I was on duty one evening.

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I've got the dates here.

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I'm calling probably.

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I don't know if I can shed any light on the situation because it happens so long ago,

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part of the reason actually I'm calling is maybe you could help fill in some stuff.

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Some information that I have to account. I'm still curious about it.

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Let's see, August 20th.

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Hey, that was yesterday.

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So that was back in 1974.

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Uh-huh.

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And we received a call from the state police.

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And here at state police up around Round Lake, which is, I'd say about 20 miles,

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15 miles north of Albany, New York.

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And it's just south of, you can find on your map, the Sir Total Lake.

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The Sir Total Lake is a fairly large lake.

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And Round Lake is a town and also literally a Round Lake that's situated just south of Sir Total Lake.

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Yes.

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And we had the troopers called up.

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They called our facility and spoke to me and asked if we had anything,

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any strange objects or anything on radar into the vicinity of Round Lake.

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So I told them that I wasn't working in the radar room, but I would check.

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I would call over to the police.

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My associates over there approached control.

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So they, and I said, yes, as a matter of fact, they did see some objects that were

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very strange over the Round Lake area this time.

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This was about the 7.30 in the evening, I think, when I first got the call.

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7.30 to 8.00.

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And I asked them what the targets look like.

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They said they only had any version from one to up to four targets at one time over the lake itself.

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And I asked the troopers what they saw down there, the reason for their call.

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They said, well, they had reports from concerned citizens up there about some strange objects

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that were buried over the lake at that time.

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So they had sent up a couple of cars.

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And through the course of the evening, there were no less than four units that were up there

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at one time observing some strange objects.

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Anyways, it has a story a little bit.

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But the earlier part of the evening, they had two or three cars at this time situated

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in strategic locations around the perimeter of the lake.

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Some of them are on the north, another one is the southeast,

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and another one is somewhere area, I think.

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And it reported some sort of object which is hard to describe over the lake.

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And they said that at some time the objects would break off into several smaller objects.

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And these objects would move around and then merge back into one object again.

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And this thing was moving around at various areas of the lake.

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So that the state police over the north end of the lake would be observing it

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and describing it over the radio to their dispatcher while the people at the south end of the lake

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no longer saw the object.

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And at some time later on, the object would appear over the southeast end of the lake

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and disappear over the north end of the lake.

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So I asked the troopers, I says, oh, here's your unique experience.

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I finally get some really good description of these things.

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So I asked the guy who was very perturbed, he had to be a helicopter pilot

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and he was cursing all those guys up there.

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He said, they should be up there watching these things, you know.

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I expect them, a veteran, I guess.

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So he was really interested in this sort of thing.

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He was stuck on this place that night.

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So anyways, I asked him if he could get a description from these guys.

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He says, well, there's a roundish looking object.

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He says, what's the lights on? It's all I know right now.

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He says, yeah, well, I'd like to find out if this is a clear that the lights are on the objects

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or inside the objects or the objects themselves.

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They appear to be glowing, or they're solid, or pure translucent, or anything.

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You know, something really detailed.

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So he says, wait a minute, I'll get a description here. Listen.

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So what he did was he called the troopers and he put the...

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And in the course of the evening, he was getting...

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started to get kind of dark, I think it was...

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I lost... I think he had to hang up or something like this.

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And he called me back later on again because this...

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the shenanigans were still going on.

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So I think it was some time later.

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I can't quite remember. It was about nine o'clock or so, I think.

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And he called back and he said the object was still around there.

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He says he had about four cars up there now, including the...

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one of the BCI investigators in the local area.

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It was on his way up there now to check out these things personally.

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So he was en route up there from the southeast.

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So I called the radar room again. I says,

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let me see if we can get an aircraft up in that area

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or maybe the guys are working with somebody who grew up and investigate these things.

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So I talked to the guys and approached them and drove on the radar room again.

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And they haven't been watching these things continuously all this time too.

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They were kind of a stout. They had never really seen anything like this on radar before,

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as far as, you know, targets acting like this.

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As far as the distance of the objects or the targets from the center of the scope,

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that is what they call the main bang, like the radar,

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even if the south is physically located at Albany County Airport.

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Yes.

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So the distance from the radar antenna up to Round Lake is fairly close.

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Just have to look at my map. I couldn't tell you how far it is now.

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I'd say between 15 and 20 miles. Probably no more than 15 miles.

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And at this range, still it's awfully difficult to discriminate individual targets

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and they're very close together.

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In other words, like if you get, I don't know how much you know about radar, I'm assuming,

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the person in the summer doesn't know too much about it.

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That's if you get two targets that are very close together,

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the radar has a certain beam width, depending on the width of the beam,

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that sweeps across the targets and might pick them up simultaneously.

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It only appears one target.

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Whereas in this case, they actually had as many as four targets at one time,

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which was interesting to it, coincided and confirmed with the state police for a sake.

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So they must have been fairly good distance apart or fairly large sized objects or something,

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but the distance apart would have to be something of significance or to pick up four targets.

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But the guys are convinced they saw something very strange up there.

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They quite make out what the heck it was.

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And anyways, they said they did have an aircraft that they were going to try and move up in that area.

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I guess a private pilot just flying around.

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I think it was a Cessna 172, if I remember correctly, a light signal engine aircraft.

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And he was someplace down to the southwest of this area.

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And he said that they were going to send him up there to investigate.

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And they started back through this air craft up there.

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And I told the stage troopers this as well.

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Tell the guys up there now that we're going to have a light aircraft coming up from the southwest to investigate.

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So by now it was getting, starting to get pretty dark.

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So I said, it was just twilight.

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So I told them, look for an object coming up from the southwest with red and green position lights,

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and possibly a landing light.

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But this will be a light aircraft.

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Not to confuse.

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It looked at the objects.

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He told me it does.

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So they saw the aircraft come up in.

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Well, lo and behold, this thing would have it, of course, the object disappeared.

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So the aircraft got up there and he circled around it and said, I'm fine.

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But some time.

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But as he went away, the objects came back again.

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That's a problem.

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That's a problem.

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Right.

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But anyways, let's see.

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This received press coverage in the papers that evening was on television.

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As a matter of fact, I guess everybody was out there about this time of night.

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And one fellow I remember correctly was watching on TV, described it as a pancake object.

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He says it was a very elongated object when it was over the lake.

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They said the thing would come up overhead and it would be perfectly round.

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Describe it as something like a cigar shaped object over the lake.

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And then round when it came overhead.

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Yes.

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I think this one fellow had even drawn pictures of any juicy sketches or perhaps described

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it as someone else who drew the sketches and confirmed it or something like that.

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So they had the sketches on TV too.

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And let's see.

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I think the whole thing was over with about 10.30 at night or something like that.

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Because I called the troopers back just before I went off watch about 11 o'clock or so.

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And there was no word of these objects at all.

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But one other interesting thing occurred, sort of the Coopie Grace, to the whole evening.

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It was about 10 o'clock or so that the radar controllers were working.

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The twin engine prop aircraft was the Air Force, one of the older transport aircraft.

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I guess probably used for training flights of T29s, like a twin engine Conver 340 or something.

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And the aircraft was in a vicinity.

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It must have been coming up over this Saratoga Lake, which is just a short distance to the

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north of Round Lake.

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Because he was on an airway and he was heading due west, just coming up on its area.

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So he would be looking sort of in the vicinity of the Round Lake Saratoga Lake area.

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And he was at 8,500 feet and he called over the controllers.

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I don't remember what anybody told me all I could do was this one particular page, so I

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quote from, they had an article named, quite a random how accurate it is.

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But just what the report was, I got it written down here myself.

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Let's see what I put down here.

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Oh, he described it as a red streak traveling from north to south, very fast, extremely fast.

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So some object was in the sky ahead of them.

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And I think it was slightly above them.

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And the controllers confirmed this.

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They picked up an object coming from this area, which is the vicinity of Saratoga Round Lake.

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And really picked it up.

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Here's confirmation of the distances.

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I got that here 17 miles and 16 seconds.

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So that seems at the Round Lake area that would be about 17 miles more or less.

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Like I said, 15 to 20 miles.

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And they clocked it on radar and the speed would have to come out to something like 3,500 miles an hour.

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So it was seen visually and picked up on radar.

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And the object disappeared, it was heading, in other words, from Doomarth to Doos South.

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And 15 seconds that would keep about three or four sweeps of the radar antenna.

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And based on this, they clocked it about 3,500 miles an hour and it disappeared over Albany.

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He lost it right over the airport.

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He was clipping right along.

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Yeah, that could have been a meteor.

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It could have been very coincidental, which is very appropriate to the evening.

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But they could pick up a meteor being a solid object.

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A low in the atmosphere would be burning like that.

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Visually, it also could be picked up on radar without any problem, I don't think.

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Would your radar there go up that high?

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Well, I talked to the technicians to find out just what the pattern was, how high it is.

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And the radar stretches more or less from horizontal at the set of the antenna.

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And it actually, it goes up to about pretty close to 50,000 feet between 45 and 50,000.

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It's an approach to surveillance radar, so it's not actually designed to work effectively

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or detect aircraft up there high because they're only concerned with aircraft in the terminal area,

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which is only $10,000 in feet for Albany.

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So that's what all their concern about is the accuracy of the,

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and the workings to the radar up to 10,000 feet is all there,

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but the beam itself, I know, does go up to a very high altitude.

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About a high altitude, anyways, 45,000 feet.

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When the troopers were watching those objects, did they ever report any sound?

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No, soundless. Just like the description I got in that one trooper in the car, he says,

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absolutely soundless.

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I'm going to be darned.

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Perfectly around, absolutely soundless.

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I think I wrote that down here.

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It's that place that we got.

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All my little jump sheets here that I wrote down, things down there.

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Here's, here's another thing.

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So 15 to 20 feet in diameter, circular.

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Now I don't know how they judge the distance, or judge the width of the things.

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I've got two or three circles down here, 15 to 20 feet in diameter.

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And I've got five dots down here that, this means it's over five.

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Didn't do a very good job of documenting all the stuff that the five was kind of hectic that night,

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and I made a mistake by not writing it all down, you know, everything that I could,

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but as time goes by, and they're getting more and more curious about this particular incident,

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and I've always threatened to go back and talk to the troopers or something like that,

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which brings us to another point, too.

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I'm just wondering, I don't know what your organizational structure is,

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and all that sort of thing, but I was wondering if you have any field investigators,

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I'd be willing to volunteer.

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They'd be more happy to have you.

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Yeah, if you have any incidents or anything that pops up over here,

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I'd be in a pretty good position to pick them up first from law enforcement agencies,

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or pilots or something like this that's by something very strange.

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I could go up on my own time and wouldn't mind interviewing people and talking to them,

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and fascinated by the whole thing myself.

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I've always enjoyed doing something like that.

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I have a pretty good background for it, too.

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I've always been interested in photography and astronomy,

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and been a sky watcher for some time.

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I'm a certified weather observer, and I'm a rated commercial pilot and flight instructor,

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so I mean, a lot of sky watching time.

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I've seen a lot of streams, things, but nothing I couldn't explain before.

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Yes, no pain.

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Getting back to the sightings by the lake,

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when the objects disappeared from the area that is according to the ground observers,

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did they also disappear from the radar simultaneously?

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I couldn't say.

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I didn't run across that.

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I don't remember. I didn't write that down.

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Okay.

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The trouble is, I couldn't stay on the phone with them.

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It was kind of hectic.

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He had to leave.

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He had other calls and stuff that he had to go away.

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Sometimes as soon as he came back, there was something in some detail I had to take care of,

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so I had to leave him.

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It was kind of hectic.

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I couldn't really work with him and with the guys in the radar room.

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Very difficult to do and stuff like that.

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Yeah, it's kind of hard to policy.

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Three parties on the line at one time, coordinate all this.

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All the guys in the tower had other traffic that was busy too, so.

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We were all just kind of hectic trying to put all this stuff together and everything.

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I asked the guys, we're co-located with the Weather Service.

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The National Weather Service has a forecasting office that's co-located with my facility.

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I asked one of the neurologists what kind of atmosphere conditions would have to prevail to produce a target like this

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that could be stationed usually in an radar, something that obviously was solid.

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We picked up on radar.

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Well, solid in the sense that it got a radar return.

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The temperature inversions, of course, are known.

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They can, radar will pick up, it's very tricky to pick up ground objects and pick up temperature inversions too.

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Like even the coal fund moving through the area or something under just the right conditions

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can cause the temperature change in such a way that it will bounce back a signal

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and you'll actually see a line on a radar scope and you'll actually see that.

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And the radar beam itself can be either bent down or bent up.

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If it's bent up, it can shoot over the horizon, pick up objects, and they're much farther away.

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And it's called a super refraction or sub-refraction, which have bent the radar beam down

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under certain circumstances where it will pick up ground targets.

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Matter of fact, up in this area, it's kind of prevalent in one certain section.

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We have the Northway, which is interstate 87, which goes from Albany up to Montreal.

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They'll pick up bottom of Beals, which is down there.

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They'll give a target to an aircraft or play out something to say to a park position.

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So we'll move southbound and have a look at the same line.

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Nothing out there.

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It's just a really good bus on the Northway.

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Yes.

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Okay, well we sure appreciate your calling in this report.

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Okay, well it's kind of sketchy and it's pretty old.

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I thought maybe I could just shed a little bit more light on it in case you had something like that in your file.

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And thought maybe I could get some information too in case you did have something that you could let me in.

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I just wondered what your organization, like any of us, what your setup is there.

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Okay, the name of the organization is Phenomenon Research.

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And we're operating the UFO Reporting Center as part of gathering data, making contact with people who've had UFO experiences.

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And we're conducting a very active research program, an overall study of the UFO phenomenon in any possible related events.

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It's a very small organization, which we like to do.

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It has a small staff because we feel we get more done that way.

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And we have investigators scattered around the country and in Canada.

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Not too many people have heard of us because we kind of frown on publicity.

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It acts as an interference to the time that we do have to work with the subject.

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But we're very active. We're getting a lot done.

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We feel that the mystery just isn't as deep as it was five years ago, simply by some of the things that we've learned out here.

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We're convinced that we're dealing with objects which are not manufactured on this planet.

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I know that there's a lot of theories as to where they're coming from, but we haven't made any conclusions in that field yet.

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I'd be interested to get some of the information that you're coming up with, more on that later.

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Right. We publish a periodical Phenomenon Research Report, and we'll get you on the list for that.

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And along with any other information that we put out, you'll be sure to get that too.

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And of course, if we hear of anything in here, we'll get to you right away by phone.

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We feel that investigations on the spot investigations are an absolute must in this field,

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and we try to get our investigators going on as fast as we can.

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What information have you come up with recently?

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I mean, I've been working on the Boltman or something, and I have followed it since the last several years.

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I kind of know what all the feelings are.

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Well, right now we've seen a very radical change in the pattern of activity and behavior.

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There's very little being seen in the sky.

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Most of the events are taking place on the ground in the form of landings and occupants.

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We're getting more and more confirmed cases of abductions around the country.

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And this we feel is an entirely new phase of activity on the part of the so-called aliens.

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We're watching this pretty close.

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Who is, how is your organization, Finance?

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It's self-funded.

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The members of the staff put up quite a bit of money, and then we have a small input from donations.

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We don't have a paid membership because we just don't want to be bothered with putting out publications on schedule

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and all the other red tape and paperwork involved.

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What are the people that comprise your directorship now?

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There are residents of Seattle.

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A portion of them have scientific credentials.

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Others are laymen who have a very deep interest in background in the subject.

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There's only about 12 on the staff.

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They do all the investigating in the local area.

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They do all the research work and man the reporting center.

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They're all volunteers.

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Very dedicated people.

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Well, let's see.

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I'd like to think of a few more questions.

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Probably be a problem some other time or something.

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Maybe we'll get some more information or maybe a hospital information for you too.

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We're going to be in contact with you by mail and give you all the information that you're going to need.

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We sure appreciate this report and this information on this one event.

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Yeah, if you like, just out of curiosity if you want to dig back about the only thing that I've seen that's published other than what I've given you here

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is an article that appeared in an interview with the controllers up here in an Inquirer head of article in here,

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an international Inquirer.

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I just ripped out the last page before I can't throw it out.

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I don't think I have a date on it though.

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So I can tell you that this article appeared in the letter part of 74 sometime in the same year.

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The incident occurred in April.

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It was on the back page of the Inquirer.

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Okay.

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Just got a picture of the controllers here.

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I don't think there's any special.

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There is a little information maybe.

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I can make up a copy of this thing.

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I'll run it off at work and just send you the copy of the equipment.

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At least you get some information from it.

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Very good.

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Great.

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Anything else that I may have left off here?

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It'll at least supplement the information I've given here.

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What are your working hours?

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Well, basically I'm on two shifts.

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Of course, we cover the facility 24 hours a day.

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I'm a supervisor there so I get off the hook for mids.

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I work either 8 to 4 or 4 to 12 in that routine.

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I see.

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There's no way you can tell off-hand without looking at my schedule or if I might be there

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or not days off in between and take a leave and stuff like that.

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So just pot lock, you probably try my house first.

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And check with my wife and then she can get in touch with me wherever I might be.

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Very good.

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If there's something that you got, you know, if I'm at work, you can call me at work.

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Also, she says I'm working at the perfect weather.

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They call me there.

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Very good.

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So if I could hold something here too then I could do a little investigating on my own.

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I'll just use the name of your organization and say I'm just a representative of the phenomena researcher.

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Fine, we'll get an IP card off to you too.

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Okay, that'll be good.

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Yes, something like that.

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That's probably good.

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I think people feel a little frustrated in cases like this.

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The first place they call is the police.

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And then the next one is the call, I guess, or possibly the airport.

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Instead of not knowing who else to call.

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Nobody else to call.

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Yeah, it's...

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If nobody can do anything about it, at least I'd be in a better position to decide what to do in a case.

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Check with the radar, I could check with the weather bureau and get information at least on the atmospheric conditions or something like that.

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But all together I'm coming up with a little bit more completed investigation, I guess.

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Right.

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Okay, once again I'm going to thank you for the call.

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I'm sure we appreciate it.

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Okay, Mr. Bibble.

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That was a nice talk with you.

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Same here.

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Okay, that's good.

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We'll be in contact.

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Good enough.

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Right.

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Bye-bye.